I dont really like getting involved in politics, however the EU in or out vote and more importantly the recent discussion i had with a person who it seemed had been brainwashed to “vote leave” with arguments that simply fell over at the first hurdle.
I was told that the Human Rights Act was a result of the EU. I was told that we couldn’t deport someone because they had a pet cat and that if we didn’t leave the EU we couldn’t change this.
To be honest, such arguments show a lack of understanding of the EU, the European Convention on Human Rights, and most importantly history following WW2. Human Rights aren’t a creature of the EU!!. They weren’t brought about by the EU, in fact Human Rights were brought into UK law by Labour with the Human Rights Act 1998.
Further, after the end of WW2, the Council of Europe were responsible for bringing about the European Convention on Human Rights, a simple search of the internet shows this, and shows that the UK was involved in its creation, so Mr Vote leave, shake your fist at yourself, wag your finger at the UK but dont blame the EU.
On the question about being unable to deport a criminal, good grief, just read the case, it wasnt a cat that stopped removal from the UK, read this link and all will be explained. http://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/oct/04/theresa-may-wrong-cat-deportation
I was also told that the UK government cant make its own laws governing Employment and employment rights. Frankly, if that were right then thank god, because id hate to think how poorly workers would be protected if it was left to the Tories. I mean can you imagine letting that fool Boris loose with our workers rights?
Anyway, once again the facts were being wildly misquoted, misstated, misrepresented, and only someone fed with incorrect facts could have come to such conclusions. But to correct the errors, its worth reading this article from a Silk called Mr Sean Jones QC at 11KBW chambers. https://medium.com/@seanjones11kbw/i-logged-into-twitter-and-someone-had-posted-this-image-into-my-timeline-5596de6f6311#.ds7dqpetn the errors are corrected!!
The EU wants to straighten bananas
Yep, a point that was raised in debate, was the EU wanting us to straighten bananas. Of course when pressed for some authoritative evidence of this point there was a fast retreat and an admission there was none.
Freedom of movement is causing too much immigration
This point was quite interesting. So i was told that we couldn’t control our borders.I was told this was because we were part of the EU Schengen area which allows people to come to the UK without any checks and that terrorists were able to walk into the UK without checks.
Well first point is that we are NOT part of the Schengen see this link http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/index_en.htm . Secondly, are people really that moronic that they think the EU free movement creates an open door for terrorists? So what about the terrorist attacks that have happened overseas, such as in America? the US doesn’t have Schengen zones!!
Thirdly, i asked this chap if he had taken holidays recently? i asked if he had been outside the UK. If he enjoyed being able to leave the UK without restriction. yes he said.
I asked if he smoked, yes he said. I asked if he liked being able to bring back tobacco from the EU area without being restricted to how much duty free he could being in for personal use. yes he said.I asked if he had brought back some booze too, again yes was the answer.
I asked whether he recalled the case which went before the ECJ over the landlady who wanted to allow her customers to watch sports on tv imported from over seas. A pause followed and then he said yes. well heres a link to the press report, this landlady won because of EU laws on freedom of movement of goods and services http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17150054
There is a lot wrong with the EU, i don’t deny that, but i feel personally we are better of In rather than out. These figures being slung around that we are giving the EU so many million per day are frankly only half of the argument, what is not being stated is we also receive many millions from the EU too but i dont hear Boris mention that. If you only give the facts that you feel help your argument and ignore the ones that sink it, are you really doing your case justice? An argument built on half truths and half facts is no argument at all.
I accept that the IN camp havent been entirely helpful either, but when i look at what the EU provides us, what we have at the minute, the rights in terms of employment laws, heath and safety protection, consumer laws, consumer credit laws which protect us from poor lending practices, rights to be free from discrimination etc, and the freedom of movement within restriction around the EU area then i think we would be foolish to potentially throw that all away and leap into the unknown.
Can we really trust the Tories to retain those rights? just think about Tax Credits people, Cameron before the election said without question tax credits wont be cut, post election what happened?
It should be remembered that on more than one occasion the government has fought not to allow rights from the EU into this country, so why should we believe that they wont undo the laws which protect us and which we benefit from?
I know many argue that by leaving we can shape our future and make our own laws etc, two points there, firstly check just how many laws in this Country are made by parliament and then look at how many are made by the EU? i don’t need to say any more other than our UK parliament makes our laws.
Secondly, we have no idea what will happen if we leave, we have had many of the brightest economists say that it would be catastrophic for the economy. We have had the Leave campaigners say that we will simply renegotiate our deals etc, i do wonder though whether the terms will be as good as they are now. I mean, you wouldn’t by a new car only to crash it into a wall to see how well it could be repaired now would you. So why take that risk now?
Im not interested in trying to change peoples opinion, vote as you wish, but all i ask is dont take as red what both camps are feeding you, do your own research, check the facts, and make a decision based on fact not bluff bluster and bullshit.